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strange ipogei

Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:22
da BKAOUNAS
I have published in the Forum the following rather strange things that are ipogei funghi.
They may be mushroom is probably zygomycetes.

http://actafungorum.org/actaforum/viewt ... 299&t=4200

http://actafungorum.org/actaforum/viewt ... 299&t=1849

Here are these very strange and I do not know what is .

No 385, Schinias Attica Greece, 29-04-08, hypogeous in Cistus creticum, in sandy soil, Altezza slm 10.

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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:24
da BKAOUNAS
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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:28
da BKAOUNAS
No 416, Parnitha Attica Greece, 01-06-08, hypogeous in Abies cephalonica, Altezza slm 1200

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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:29
da BKAOUNAS
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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:39
da BKAOUNAS
No 1953, Rafina Attica Greece, 14-01-11, hypogeous in Cistus monspeliensis.

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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:41
da BKAOUNAS
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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:46
da BKAOUNAS
No 1362, Katsimidi Attica Greece, 02-02-10, hypogeous in Quercus ilex.

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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:47
da BKAOUNAS
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Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 17:50
da BKAOUNAS
As you have seen are all strange, I did not find any similar books, not to the internet .
Are fungi ?
Or is it something vegetable ?
I would like an idea .

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: ven 4 mar 2011, 18:23
da carlo
Maybe there is some nematodes galls...Expecially in the second and the third appear eggs ... :(

I hope Patty can help you :wub:

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: sab 5 mar 2011, 1:47
da mfilippa
In 1953 what is the microscopical appearence of that orange dots? Should it be spores like in Endogone, or Glomus flavisporum?

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Inviato: sab 5 mar 2011, 10:26
da patty
carlo ha scritto:Maybe there is some nematodes galls...Expecially in the second and the third appear eggs ... :(
I hope Patty can help you :wub:
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Hello Bkaounas,
i can think only that:
you write " hypogeous in Cistus creticum ", "hypogeous in Abies cephalonica " .Does this mean that 1) they were attached/ grown into the roots of the plants or 2)that you have found her underground free?
In the first case they could be also galls produced from nematods, although their aspect, in my small opinion, doesn't convince me. In the second case, no galls.
I don't have sufficient knowledges of Zygomycetes, but the idea of Mario seems me good.
:bye:

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: sab 5 mar 2011, 17:24
da mykol
No. 1953 no Stephanospora caroticolor ?

Current Name:
Stephanospora caroticolor (Berk.) Pat. [as 'carotaecolor'], Bull. Soc. mycol. Fr. 30(3): 349 (1914)

Synonymy:
Hydnangium caroticolor Berk. [as 'carotæcolor'], Ann. Mag. nat. Hist., Ser. 1 13: 351 (1844)
Octaviania caroticolor (Berk.) Corda [as 'carotaecolor'], Icon. fung. (Prague) 6: 36 (1854)


O Glomus flavisporum http://space.comune.re.it/micologico/XX ... .htm#Monte ?

Se è la "caroticolor" è veramente perfida... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryl_radical

The mushroom Stephanospora caroticolor is suspected to generate an aryl radical as part of its biological chemical defence mechanism.".

Non ho capito bene cosa significhi ma sarà sicuramente una cosa brutta !

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: dom 6 mar 2011, 9:15
da BKAOUNAS
The No 1953, believe it fits Endogone, I have found many Glomus that I send to Mr. Janusz Blaszkowski for molecular analysis and waited all summer for the first results.
To any form of spores did not see fit to Glomus.
The Stephanospora I have not found whenever I do not know how can be in some stage of development, but I thought that it is not Stephanospora.
Patty, when I tell , I found ipogei in these forest species, I mean the second case (that you have found her underground free).
Thanks for the interest :)

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: lun 7 mar 2011, 12:20
da mykol
Il numero 163 sembra a qualcosa che avevo visto da Ernesto Rebaudengo poco prima che morisse, inviatogli assieme a parecchi altri ipogei inconsueti da un suo corrispondente (forse Fantini ?) dalla Sardegna, mi aveva anche detto cos'era ma non ne ricordo il nome !

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Inviato: lun 7 mar 2011, 13:10
da carlo
Giorgio per 163 quale intendi ? L'ultima ? A me sembra coppa...pancetta :D

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Inviato: mer 9 mar 2011, 19:05
da BKAOUNAS

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Inviato: gio 10 mar 2011, 17:50
da carlo
quello del terzo link addirittura terapeutico per tenie e trichomonas :D

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Inviato: gio 10 mar 2011, 19:39
da mfilippa
quello del terzo link addirittura terapeutico per tenie e trichomonas
Ehm, Carlo, :blink: qual è esattamente il passaggio che parla delle tenie, questo
產;主要產於四川、貴州、雲南、湖北、廣西等地。紐西蘭、澳洲地區亦有分布。

o piuttosto quest'altro?
雷丸菌核為不規則球狀或塊狀,直徑在 4 公分以下,表面褐色至黑色,有皺紋,內部近白色。雷丸傘形的子實體是由菌核所長出


:lol:

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: gio 10 mar 2011, 20:35
da BKAOUNAS
which is the post that asked me for this ?
ΜΥΚΑΣ ΘΕΩΡΟΥΜΕΝ ΟΥ ΦΑΓΟΜΕΝ
(mushrooms can see, we do not eat )

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: ven 11 mar 2011, 3:14
da mfilippa

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Inviato: ven 11 mar 2011, 15:04
da mykol
scusa carlo, mi è rimasto nella tastiera: intendevo 1362 !

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: mer 16 mar 2011, 14:01
da BKAOUNAS
This photo looks like in my example No 1953.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tabtannery ... 502738963/


I found it again today, in underground of Cistus monspeliensis. No 2108

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: mer 16 mar 2011, 14:08
da BKAOUNAS
microscopy...


the Endogone pisiformis I see a photo in the literature is not like mine, but the literature has found among sphagna.
I have found underground in the humus of Cistus monspeliensis, in forest with Pinus halepensis.
To Funghi ipogei d Europa, states that can be found in the humus of deciduous or coniferous trees.
What about all these ???

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Inviato: mer 16 mar 2011, 19:06
da mfilippa
N° 2108 is macroscopically identical with our collection of Glomus flavisporum.
These spores should be rather immature...

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Inviato: mer 27 apr 2011, 23:08
da BKAOUNAS
The samples No 416 were tested in Spain and told me it Caloscypha sp. anamorph.
Was made molecular analysis (ITS and nLSU DNA).
Keep in mind what is meant anamorph ?

Re: strange ipogei

Inviato: gio 28 apr 2011, 11:46
da mfilippa
Anamorph is the asexuate phase of life present in many fungi. In that phase there is no production of asci or basidia, but it can be however some kind of "spores" (mainly conidia), that are not sexuate spores, but simply fragments of hyphae with thickened walls, or also more similar to the real spores (where structures like conidiopohores are present).

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Inviato: gio 28 apr 2011, 11:52
da mfilippa
So n° 416 may well be the sclerotia of Caloscypha fulgens that fruits under Abies... That may be the simpliest solution! Many apothecia of ascomycetes arise from a sclerotium, that is easily overlooked... :innocent:
Bravo :applause: however!